TENTHREDINIDAE Tenthredella s.l. sp.[PT][ID by D&JP Balmer]

TENTHREDINIDAE Tenthredella s.l. sp.[PT][ID by D&JP Balmer]

Postby CarlosMMSilva on 17 Feb 2015, 17:24

Hi

The genera name was a possible name that a saw on aramel.free.fr, but ...always a big but!
Found on a wall, on an forest habitat, at 2014/ABR/19
At home (forest),Maia (Porto)
NOTE: sorry to had posted it, before, on another forum section.


Thank you for your's opinions

Carlos M. Moreira da Silva
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Symphyta FAMILY sp.(.)[2014,Casa,bouça 'Dias']_P1500865-004.JPG
Maia (Porto), 2014 Apr.,19
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE Allantus sp.?? [Portugal]

Postby D & JP Balmer on 11 Feb 2017, 05:31

sub-Family : Allantinae
Genus : Ametastegia
sub-Genus : Protemphytus
species : tenera (Fallen 1808)

This species was never captured in Portugal, but the fauna of this country is badly known.
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE Allantus sp.?? [Portugal]

Postby CarlosMMSilva on 12 Feb 2017, 20:47

Hi, D & JP balmer. Thanks for your assertiveness. I even didn't knew about the subgenus.
In fact i looked for and in spain is present. But as you said ..in Portugal much stuff are to be collected and identified. I didn't collect this one even if i could.
I 'll look for larvae photos; i've some of Symphyta, in that space which i couldn't identify; maybe some of them could be of this; i doubt but 'ill look for.
NOTE: i'll change the title; thank yoy very much.
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE Allantus sp.?? [Portugal]

Postby CarlosMMSilva on 12 Feb 2017, 20:48

NOTE: in Naturdata could be as Tenthredo tenera but not; it isn't! Thank you.
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE Allantus sp.?? [Portugal]

Postby D & JP Balmer on 13 Feb 2017, 05:48

D & JP Balmer wrote:sub-Family : Allantinae

My identification is false !
Please excuse me for it.
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Other photos would be necessary (Particularly lateral)

Cordially.
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE sp.[PT]

Postby CarlosMMSilva on 14 Feb 2017, 03:44

Hi, no problem; many times this is a trial-and-error procedure. No problem and thanks any way. And i'll correct the above title.
Thanks.
Carlos
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE [PT]

Postby CarlosMMSilva on 14 Feb 2017, 03:55

I think i have it. Sorry to come just now.
I put them right away. (i need to downsize the photos a bit more below 200 kB)
Thanks.
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TENTHREDINIDAE Tenthredo sp.(.)[2014,Casa,bouça 'Dias']_P1500866-002.JPG
TENTHREDINIDAE sp.
TENTHREDINIDAE Tenthredo sp.(.)[2014,Casa,bouça 'Dias']_P1500867-001.JPG
TENTHREDINIDAE sp.
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE sp.[PT]

Postby D & JP Balmer on 14 Feb 2017, 11:19

Hello,
Thank you for these 2 photos, but regrettably I cannot see the important characteristics because the photos are too dark.
Of more the orientation of photos do not show completely, the side part of the Thorax.
It is Tenthredella s.l. (Tenthredella s.s. or Eurogaster or Maculedo).
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Re: TENTHREDINIDAE sp.[PT]

Postby CarlosMMSilva on 15 Feb 2017, 00:13

Hi & thanks for the effort.
I could put some more light oh those photos but i think it wouldn't matter for the goal.
Many of those names not even are on Portuguese Naturdata database, as Tenthredella s.l. (Tenthredella s.s. or Eurogaster or Maculedo) and synonomy make it worst.; in spite of that i'll change the title to the genus you say: Tenthredella s.l. (Tenthredella s.s. or Eurogaster or Maculedo)
Thank you for all.
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